(21) That any act by the Congress of the United States, Executive Order of the President of the United States, or Judicial Order of the United States that assumes a power not delegated by the federal Constitution and Bill of Rights diminishing the liberty of this state or its citizens constitutes a nullification of the federal Constitution and Bill of Rights by the government of the United States, which would also breach Montana's "Compact With the United States". Acts that would cause a nullification and a breach include but are not limited to:To avoid the possibility of dead links, I have posted the whole resolution here. If you would like to go to the official Montana web version, you should be able to find it here:(a) establishing martial law or a state of emergency within a state without the consent of the legislature of that state;
(b) requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service other than a draft during a declared war or pursuant to or as an alternative to incarceration after due process of law;
(c) requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to or as an alternative to incarceration after due process of law;
(d) surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government;
(e) any act regarding religion, further limitations on freedom of political speech, or further limitations on freedom of the press; or
(f) any act regarding the right to keep and bear arms or further limitations on the right to bear arms, including any restrictions on the type or number of firearms or the amount or type of ammunition any law-abiding citizen may purchase, own, or possess.
(22) That if any act of Congress becomes law or if an Executive Order or Judicial Order is put into force related to the reservations expressed in this resolution, Montana's "Compact With the United States" is breached and all powers previously delegated to the United States by the federal Constitution and Bill of Rights revert to the states individually.
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/HouJoint/HJ0026_1.wpd
Or go to this page and look for HJ0026
My thoughts: All I have to say is God bless Montana! Yet one more reason to love my adopted home state.
However, Montana was already considered to be among the states asserting sovereignty because of its "made in Montana" gun bill, as David Codrea notes here. And last year, before the Supreme Court's decision in Heller, Montana fired a shot across the Supreme Court's bow with a resolution threatening secession if the Court went with the so-called "collective right" interpretation of the Second Amendment (as I noted in an Enemy at the Gate column in S.W.A.T. Magazine). And in the past Montana has bucked the feds told them to shove their federal highway money over the issue of speed limits, and also said no to Real ID.
Thus, you should not make the mistake of thinking this is some recent idea - Montanans have consistently, over a span of many years, asserted their sovereignty. And more importantly, Montanans have done so from the very beginning, as their state constitution makes clear. As Gary Marbut of the Montana Shooting Sports Association so ably puts it:
I could not have said it better myself. And no, this is not about money from the feds. This is about self-government, and about being free from onerous, oppressive, and unconstitutional federal laws and actions. One of the causes of the American Revolution was the claim by the British Parliament that it could legislate over the colonists in all cases whatsoever - down to the most minute detail of their lives. Our forefathers rejected that absurd claim. We are now rejecting the same assertion of totalitarian power by the Mordor on the Potomac.Remember, the Montana Constitution says, at Article II, Section 2, "The people have the exclusive right of governing themselves as a free, sovereign, and independent state."
Some will say that these are just words on paper and don't really mean anything. I disagree.
These words are a part of the contract by which Montana was engendered as a socio-political entity. The very existence of the construct called the "State of Montana" is dependent upon this contract among Montana people, a contract giving the state defined and limited powers.
One of these limitations is the terms of Article II. Section 2, which limits the authority of the State to contract with the other states. That is, by its very charter, the State is not authorized to lock itself politically into being a mere administrative region of that creature of the several states, the federal government, nor may the state surrender the rights and prerogatives of individuals to the federal government.
HJ 26 addresses these issues and relationships.
Brace yourselves - it's going to be a wild ride.
Why do I say that? Isn't this just so much posturing which will amount to nothing in the long run?
Not so fast. Note that one of the causes of nullification would be any more legislation restricting the right to bear arms, including restriction of type of arms. That means no new "Assault Weapons Ban." And you can bet that HR 45, which aims to register, fingerprint, and track gun owners just as if they were convicted child molesters, would also be considered a breach.
If there is anything that has the potential to spark actual secession, and even actual civil war or revolution in this nation, it is those two onerous measures. Gun haters are playing with fire, and poking at a hornet's nest, with their plans for a renewed AWB and with the totalitarian HR 45.
I hope they have the good sense to back off - though I fear they are just too "autistic" when it comes to this, and simply do not get it. They think it is simply a matter of passing a law, and then gun owners will meekly submit. But they are only thinking in the conventional legal and political dimensions. As these resolutions remind us, there are other dimensions, and whatever law is passed, whatever executive order "The One" issues, whatever clever decision is handed down by the Nine Nazgul on the Court, that will not be the end of the argument - just as it was not the end of the argument back in 1775.
History does indeed repeat itself. I think there is an awakening, a quickening, happening that may just rival what happened prior to the American Revolution. And I see pockets of resolve like Montana as the place where it will start.
Montana, and other states like it, are the new version of what New England was back then - pockets of radicalism and fiery resolve. But can we be the modern versions of Thomas Paine, Sam Adams, James Otis, Patrick Henry, and Thomas Jefferson that are needed?
Time will tell.
If you have not yet read Jefferson's Kentucky Resolutions, I highly recommend you do so. As should be no surprise coming from the author of the Declaration of Independence (this nation's birth certificate) the Kentucky Resolutions present the most concise, clear, and common sense expression of the principles of our Constitutional Republic in existence.
Now it is our turn to recall those fundamental principles and take a stand. As Jefferson said:
"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock."Will we take that stand? If not now, when? If not us, who? Will we leave it to our children and grandchildren to do it? Or will we clean house ourselves, cleaning up the mess we allowed to happen, and leave them in a free nation? I believe we have reached that critical point in this nation's history. Unfortunately, what I see coming reminds me of something George Washington told his troops before the battle of Long Island:
"The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army-Our cruel and unrelenting Enemy leaves us no choice but a brave resistance, or the most abject submission; that is all we can expect-We have therefore to resolve to conquer or die." - George Washington, addressing his troops before the Battle of Long Island.Please do your part in supporting the resolutions of Montana, New Hampshire, and others like them, in the hopes that the DC crowd will get the message and back off. If they don't, they will leave us no choice but a brave resistance or the most abject submission. I believe enough Americans still retain the fire of liberty in their hearts to choose the former - and to win.
Stewart Rhodes
PS - Gary Marbut of Montana Shooting Sports Association played a critical role by assisting in drafting this resolution and in getting it proposed, and MSSA deserves your support not just for this, but for all else MSSA does on behalf of Montanans in general, and Montana gun owners in particular. Please join MSSA and support it with your contributions.
#1. This is not really about secession. You can't "secede" from something that no longer exists. Dan Itse, the drafter and sponsor of the New Hampshire states rights resolution makes a very good point when he says this is not about withdrawing from the Union. As he recently told Glenn Beck on his show, "the very best resolution of this resolution would be a renewed union within the confines of the Constitution." I agree, and as I told one commenter, I would prefer to just have a national government that lived within its means and within the bounds of the Constitution, but unfortunately, that is not what we now have.
And, as Itse points out, “if the government chooses to aggress in nullifying the Constitution, it is impossible to secede from something that doesn’t exist.”
And you will note that the Montana resolution says nothing about secession - what it says is that if the federal government further transgresses in violating the Constitution and Bill of rights, and violating the rights of Montanans, then Montana will rightfully consider the compact between the states - the Constitution - to have been nullified by the feds, not by Montana. At that point, the agreement among the states by which Montana entered into the Union will have been breached by the national government, "and all powers previously delegated to the United States by the federal Constitution and Bill of Rights revert to the states individually."
#2. What Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence is still true:
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.Nobody is saying this would be a picnic, and we would prefer it not come to that, but:
We are seeing, today, a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evincuing a design to reduce us under absolute Despotism every bit as onerous and dangerous as anything the Founders faced.
Think I'm exagerating? Then please go read this article I wrote about the Clinton era proposal to use military tribunals on the domestic American milita movement - on US citizens - and how everything in that proposal was put into place by the Bush Administration, so that Obama has at his finger tips claimed powers Clinton could only dream of.
Obama now has the court approved defacto power to declare any of us citizens to be unlawful "enemy combatants" and thus strip us of all of the protections of the Bill of Rights, detaining us without indictment and trying us before military tribunals instead of by a jury of our peers. Of course, that claimed power is illegitimate and wildly unconstitutional, as Scalia pointed out in his Hamdi dissent, but the majority on the Court put its stamp of approval on it.
One of the causes of the American revolution listed in the Declaration of Independence was denial of the right to jury trial and the "extraordinary rendition" of their day - whisking men off to England to face trial in kangaroo courts (and of course, all the English courts approved). That was one of the many "long train of abuses" that fueled the Revolution.
And the spark of the American Revolution was the attempt to disarm the people. Today, there are gun hating extremists in the Obama Administration and in Congress who just will not be able to resist the temptation to try and disarm us - what else is HR 45 but a call to register and track all gun owners, to more easily facilitate disarmament?
History is repeating itself. And what Jefferson said about the purposes of government, and our right to throw it off when it violates those purposes, is still true. and that brings me to these last two points we should always keep in mind:
A. First fundamental principle of our Republic: your rights don't come from government. As our Declaration says, rights come first, and government is created to protect your rights. Not the other way round. You can read an article I wrote for SWAT Magazine on this topic here.
B. The Bill of Rights affirms that our rights do not come from government, and provides us with a guide to Constitutional interpretation we can use to judge the actions of government. Whatever the judges may say, we the people made it very clear in the Bill of Rights what the boundaries were. Look there first for guidance. I also wrote about this for SWAT, and you can read that article here.
Stewart Rhodes



32 comments:
Lets hope this just keeps going.
Thanks for covering with the links. It's fine to see MT taking initiative on such matters. It's needed.
from Pondera county, MT
If it was no so cold I would move to the great state of Montana !!! Go for it and hold onto your spirit.
The largest employer in Montana is the hospital and health industry. Montana also has a very large elderly population. So, secede from the Union and you lose all current SS and medical health benefits, and all future health and welfare benefits. Plus any other federal employment. In addition, one of the chief source of jobs and economy is from dams and hydroelectric power sold to the "the other 49" states, which would also be jeopardized. Montana is a "net receiver" of funding , which means it receives more money from the federal government that it provides. So take away all the subsidy too.
All because a couple of "cowboys" want to shoot their guns.
I don't believe in a "nanny state" also. And I do believe in states rights up to a point.
But the only point these legislators are making is the shape of their head.
"I don't like my face so I'll cut off my nose mentality" the residents of the great State of Montana do not need!
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bottlecpas, it's about far more than guns. Read the whole thing.
I just happen to think that some of the more extreme proposals for gun control could be the spark.
But that would not be the fuel.
The coming economic perfect storm is more likely to really make it possible. That kind of instability opens up windows for all kinds of stuff to happen - setting up the right conditions just waiting for a spark.
For example, SS benefits aren't worth a crap if we hit Argentina style hyperinflation. If we really crash financially, all those subsidies will blow away like Oklahoma topsoil during the Dustbowl.
I would prefer we had a national government that just lived within its means and within the bounds of the Constitution. But we don't.
And that's no mere trifling inconvenience.
The events of the past eight years have convinced me that we are on a collision course with absolute tyranny under Big Brother, and however dangerous and problematic, a fragmented US is far preferable to that totalitarian future.
No one is saying it would be easy. But it may be necessary.
Hear, hear!
Bottlecaps said:
"In addition, one of the chief source of jobs and economy is from dams and hydroelectric power sold to the "the other 49" states, which would also be jeopardized."
No one is saying we would not still trade with the other states who remained in the so-called Union. We'd be happy to sell them hydro power, and beef, wheat, barley, lumber, coal, silver, and all of the other wonderful resources Montana has in her larder (and they can even buy some great Montana made firearms - but it unlikely their slave masters in DC will let them).
But you also take it for granted that Montana would be on its own, and no other states would follow suit.
I think it likely that if conditions become such that Montana actually cowboys up and does it, you would see Idaho, Wyoming, and perhaps the Dakotas do likewise - and I am even hearing rumblings of discontent from Utah.
Now that would be an interesting coalition of western states, with sympathetic folks in Eastern Washington, Eastern Oregon, Northern California and Northern Nevada.
And I also hear that folks up in British Columbia are kindred spirits as well.
Plenty of trading will go on, don't you worry.
Bottom line is this - sometimes you have to do what is right in the long run regardless of short term pain, but the more painful it is to stay in your current situation, the more attractive "change" starts to look.
That's what happened in the years leading up to the American Revolution. That is what's happening now.
And I say, "Yes, we can!"
There at present appears no other choice left us, but either tamely to sit down and surrender our lives and properties, our wives and children, our religion and consciences, to the arbitrary will of others, or trusting in God, to stand up in our own defense, and of the Constitution of the United States.
Those who will not stand up to the closing of our government haven't taken serious thought to the commands in scripture that we should be good stewards of the riches God has entrusted to our care.
God bless the great State of Montana!
There are two forms of real capital: resources and labor. Montana has more than enough resources to stand on her own economically should it become necessary.
I think it likely that if conditions become such that Montana actually cowboys up and does it, you would see Idaho, Wyoming, and perhaps the Dakotas do likewise
The likelihood of this happening was probably what prompted Johnstone's "Tri-States"
Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me.
Absolutely right. And bottlcaps, you also disregard the "stimulative" effect that dropping all of that nasty Federal tax and regulatory overhead would have on business in the state. Were Montana to secede and low its tax rates to something like Ireland has, as well as ditch all of the idiotic bureaucratic regulations that shackle the hands of business owners, you'd see a renaissance of new industries and companies flocking to the state to take advantage of the more friendly business environment.
You'd also have a good portion of skilled people such as myself that would immediately apply for citizenship in the new country, to get out from under the creeping tyranny that is affecting everyone in the US right now.
I'd say the first state to do this and make it stick, should they revert to a proper idea of Liberty and Freedom as envisioned by the Founders, would see a huge increase in wealth and a plethora of intelligent, productive, thinking citizens who are yearning to be free.
To add to the already masterful pummeling that "bottlcaps" has received, and to enlarge on the comments regarding regulation that "tryptix" has:
Just imagine that we don't actually want to trade our freedom for money, especially when they continually stick that money where we don't want it! A subsidized colonoscopy is still well, a colonoscopoy.
Just imagine our state if we didn't have to burn countless square miles of forest every year, and instead harvested it using good practices. Specifically thinking of the beetle stands (for firewood/fiber).
Just imagine our state if we were suddenly the owners of 50% more land - since the fed.gov currently controls 29.3% of MT land.
http://nris.mt.gov/MontanaFacts/county_own.html
Just imagine that my primary purpose in having firearms is not for 'hunting' and gathering but for social purposes and as a hedge against tyranny.
Just imagine... you'll find that everyone has a list of Fed.gov actions that are acrimonious!
Regards,
Ben
Good Luck, I would join you if not for the cold. . . I hope some of the southern states would leave too and I would quickly apply to join one of them. . .
tryptix and anonymous, thank you for your additional insights which were spot on.
The supposed benefits from the feds are not only merely bribes with our own money, they are also accompanied by many restrictions and barriers to economic freedom and prosperity.
TANSTAAFL!
JD, there are some surprisingly warm places in North Western Montana - warm enough to grow cherry trees. Check out the area around Flathead Lake, Kalispell, and also the Thompson Falls area. And summers in Montana are heaven on earth with sunlight till 10 pm.
Check out the first photo on the right hand column of my blog. That is Flathead Lake from our front porch. That is a common view, as all of NW Montana looks like that.
Alaska is also taking the steps along the NH & MT path. Our House is currently debating a similar measure telling the Feds to stop the gun grabs & obey the Constitution.
... restrictions on the type or number of firearms or the amount or type of ammunition any law-abiding citizen may purchase, own, or possess.
The problem with that wording is it leaves weasel room - if a law is passed making possession of (for example) an AR-15 illegal, then anyone possessing one is not (strictly) law-abiding at that point.
There needs to be a better term for "good people" that doesn't rely on the legislature to define "good"...
Or is there strong precedent that "law abiding" means "hasn't been convicted of a crime"?
Stewart, I originally hail from Hamilton, MT and we called it the "banana belt". Never brutally cold. If things keep going the way they are in Texas I might move back to the Bitterroot Valley. Still have a lot of family around Arlee, too. Odds are if you're in that area you might know a few of them. Not that populous.
Cheers,
tryptix wrote: Absolutely right. And bottlcaps, you also disregard the "stimulative" effect that dropping all of that nasty Federal tax and regulatory overhead would have on business in the state. Were Montana to secede and low its tax rates to something like Ireland has, as well as ditch all of the idiotic bureaucratic regulations that shackle the hands of business owners, you'd see a renaissance of new industries and companies flocking to the state to take advantage of the more friendly business environment.
If the Montana legislature wanted to be a libertarian paradise business environment, they already would be. They aren't. What reason do you have to expect the Montana legislature, or any legislature anywhere in the world, to spontaneously loosen their hold over commerce?
I understand the distinction drawn above between
- "secession", versus
- assertion of first principles by a political entity still standing following the nullification of existing political structures via Federal overreach.
With that understanding, I am saying that it won't matter.
If any state gets the backbone to tell DC to keep its tax-funded subsidy money (a road not yet taken by any of the "sovereign states"), the FedGov will treat that refusal as secession. Their next step will be to pick up the playbook from 1864-65 and proceed.
Not saying in any way that folks shouldn't tell Leviathan to go crap in its hat. Just asking folks to consider that if FedGov overreach were sufficient to collapse the Constitutional arrangement between states and the Feds, that bridge was crossed and then burned back in 1933-35.
Garrett says it better in "The Revolution Was" than I could ever do.
Read it all.
Please.
Concerned American said...
"I understand the distinction drawn above between
- "secession", versus
- assertion of first principles by a political entity still standing following the nullification of existing political structures via Federal overreach.
With that understanding, I am saying that it won't matter.
If any state gets the backbone to tell DC to keep its tax-funded subsidy money (a road not yet taken by any of the "sovereign states"), the FedGov will treat that refusal as secession. Their next step will be to pick up the playbook from 1864-65 and proceed.
Not saying in any way that folks shouldn't tell Leviathan to go crap in its hat. Just asking folks to consider that if FedGov overreach were sufficient to collapse the Constitutional arrangement between states and the Feds, that bridge was crossed and then burned back in 1933-35.
Garrett says it better in "The Revolution Was" than I could ever do.
Read it all.
Please."
Will do. Thanks. I agree with the practical reality of what is likely to happen.
However, the distinction is important in a moral sense, and that can very much affect the outcome of even the physical fight, if it came to that.
It is similar to the refrain "no Fort Sumters." Take the moral high ground, and keep it.
That is what our forefathers did in the American Revolution. They made is obvious that, at least initially, they were simply defending their traditional rights as Englishmen, and attempting to simply get the British government to respect the rights of all Englishmen. And thus, they even had staunch supporters and sympathetic men of influence in Parliament, such as William Pitt.
And, that moral high ground won the fight for the hearts and minds of the people, gaining sufficient support among the populace, and it made it easier for outside help, such as the French, to rationalize assisting them.
So, that distinction has value even in the worst case, because it will help win more hearts and minds.
Stewart
tom said...
"Stewart, I originally hail from Hamilton, MT and we called it the "banana belt". Never brutally cold. If things keep going the way they are in Texas I might move back to the Bitterroot Valley. Still have a lot of family around Arlee, too. Odds are if you're in that area you might know a few of them. Not that populous.
Cheers,"
Tom, great to hear from you! Please do move back, and when you do, please drop me a note. In fact, feel free to email me anytime at stewart.rhodes@aya.yale.edu
We lived up in Polson, and did not go South of Missoula much at all - but would love to hear more about your knowledge of the area and were good places to live are. We will be moving back soon, and expect to live up in the Kalispell area, but are always interested in other parts of Montana.
Best,
Stewart
If any state gets the backbone to tell DC to keep its tax-funded subsidy money
Why would such a state cooperate in sending taxes to DC in the first place? That deal would be broken. Residents of state X wouldn't owe taxes to DC any more than they now owe them to the European Union.
...the FedGov will treat that refusal as secession. Their next step will be to pick up the playbook from 1864-65 and proceed.
The military and economic geographic balances of power today do not match the civil war situations, so I don't think the same playbook would work. For instance, there is now vigorous industry in the South (automotive plants), while industry in the North is in decline (rust belt). There are military bases with the same equipment and training present in every state. The South's economy is not hopelessly dependent on international exports of a few crops, and does not have to worry about keeping the slaves from revolting.
Great bill. Even better discussion thereof. Let's hope this engine keeps building steam! Get on your state Reps&Senators, Montanans. Even if the ones from your area aren't sympatico, they still need to be inundated with support for this measure. Great work Stewart R. and Gary M. Smokehouse III
i have been buying gold and guns all my life and MT sounds better all the time.
Glad to hear you're moving back. We desperately need principled lawyers. Is Granite County out of the question? I know we might have an opening for a County Attorney soon. JP also.
Anonymous said...
z'Glad to hear you're moving back. We desperately need principled lawyers. Is Granite County out of the question? I know we might have an opening for a County Attorney soon. JP also."
Thanks anonymous. Much appreciated. Well, that's up to my wife and kids - they just love the far NW corner of the state and I'd hate to disappoint them. I wouldn't say it's out of the question, but can't say for sure.
We will come visit - I'll be there for an Appleseed Rifleman Bootcamp in early May.
Best,
Stewart
I am an out of state (Montana that is) owner of 40 acres of absolute paradise in the Big Sky country (please don't hate me for not being a native born Montanan that owns land there; I was born in Colorado, and the Marxists have destroyed that state) . . . Anyway, I long to be free . . . if this thing passes, I'll be there!
"I think it likely that if conditions become such that Montana actually cowboys up and does it, you would see Idaho, Wyoming, and perhaps the Dakotas do likewise - and I am even hearing rumblings of discontent from Utah."
Thanks for the great post; it is very relieving to see states that still embody those eternal values that have made our country great.
As an Idahoan, I can tell you that I'm proud of my Montana neighbors, and we'll be there with you.
Also, no one has mentioned Oklahoma; here's what their legislature said: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67229
"Now that would be an interesting coalition of western states"
Truly, if it were possible, a coalition of conservative states such as Idaho, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, etc. would thrive in every way and have only to gain by breaking from the Federal government. I have always said that the true American spirit, the essence of our founding fathers' vision of America lives strongest in the mountain west, and you're right about our vigilance being an example to all. I believe that it is our determination to live as free men that is the hope for this country. As we show that we will not be abused, we will inspire others all across this great country.
Don't pack your bags yet. I think both HJ 24 and 26 ended in a tie vote Dems NO Repubs YES. So now what?
I've got multiple projects to finish for resale before thoughts about moving because you need money to move...Still got the boots and longjohns. Don't have the whiner women that thought Texas got "cold" anymore. My dogs like Montana.
As to places to go and not go in MT, I need to catch up with S**** anyway who works for wildlife up there and does so on both sides of the divide. He might have some ideas on better and worse areas for our sort of folk. Think he was born in Victor or else the flathead rez.
Tried to catch him this weekend but he was out hunt....err....working.
Got your email for when I catch up with him as I haven't been up that way in a bit.
Best Regards,
I am also from a different state, but this sounds like a very worthy avenue to explore. Especially if it involves the solid preservation of our basic freedoms and values.
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